User talk:HistoricAccount DevilDan

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Dan, on the "Spell" page you added something non-committal about Scrolls maybe costing some juice in Proposed Canon. PC is what we believe to be true, and should not include options. If you think something isn't firm enough, that there are other reasonable options, then move it back to Speculation when you add options. There should be no "maybe"s, "presumably"s, "apparantly"s, or "should be"s in PC. This is what we believe to be true, so that Rob can advance it to Canon either with minimal editing, or with none at all. If there are options, it's just not ready for Canon and so not ready for PC.

In this case, since there is no actual evidence at all that scrolls use juice, and Page 125 has Parson saying to Maggie to use scrolls so as to not use her own juice, this is pretty much pure speculation with no evidence. Unless you have some evidence, please undo your change and restore it to the way it was. --Kreistor 00:13, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification. I added that note because I remembered Wanda's reaction shot after casting the Perfect Warlord spell in page 18 of first book. Yes, it might have merely required significant concentration, but it was a thought. Still, using a scroll might have some nominal "juice" cost.--DevilDan

You're using the "Summoning Scroll" as an example of a typical scroll? I can't agree with that from the start: the Summoning Spell is excessive, takes an incredibly long time to cast, and involves the caster's mind in sorting through the potential targets: that sounds exhausting just writing it, much less casting it. Yes, she's tired afterwards, but note that the spell took significant mental concentration, and she had the added stress of Stanley placing abnormal and numerically excessive constraints on her. She says in 17, "All these physical requirements are too much...": she was breaking from the sorting, not from juice expenditure. Stanley made the spell stressful and tired her, not the expenditure of Juice.

Further, we see Jillian blow her entire wad on the Crypsis (she doesn't cast again the entire day), and yet she's out and attacking Ansom only moments later. Expending juice does not necessarily cause fatigue, so pointing at her being tired is not an indicator that she has spent any juice whatsoever. So, no, I don't think you've got anything supporting any juice expenditure from scrolls at all. To get there, you would first need to demonstrate someone, somewhere, showing signs of fatigue after casting spells: you're treating that as an assumption, and I think we've actually got evidence against that idea. --Kreistor 05:15, 23 July 2009 (UTC)