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Rule 9

If they swing, make 'em miss. If they flee, make 'em run somewhere worse. But if they just stand there, pull the rug out from under 'em. Seems influenced by Mao Zedong's famous quote.

When the enemy advances, we retreat! When the enemy halts, we harass! When the enemy seeks to avoid battle, we attack! When the enemy retreats, we pursue!


Can tap thinkograms?

When Tramennis and Jillian try to call Charlie during the Battle of Jetstone, they are told that charlie is "on another call at the moment" and we cut to Parson talking over a thinkogram. http://www.erfworld.com/page/49/ Charlie does not answer the other calls until after Parson's thinkogram finishes. Shortly after Parson explains his plan to solve the debacle at the battle of Jetstone, Charlie tells Jillian that Gobwin Knob "can" do something. http://www.erfworld.com/page/47/ This implies that either he has thought of the same idea as Parson or that he tapped into Parson explaining the battleplan.

Compromised?

Charlie is described here as concerned that Parson has compromised his security. Could another interpretation of the data be that the decrypting of so many archons is the cause for concern, and not Parson at all?

Charlie and Earth

Any suggestion that Charlie is somehow from Earth is entirely speculative and without any foundation whatsoever. He does not metagame or do anything a genius local couldn't. He is also in possession of perhaps the single strongest communication capacity in Erfworld and may have unmatched intelligence.

AND if the Charlie's Angel's anaglogy is maintained, we will never learn one way or the other. He is an enigma, like Vaarsuvius' sex, and the truth will never be revealed.
--Kreistor 16:35, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

"Entirely speculative" seems like it might not be terribly inappropriate for the "speculation" section, but that's just me going all crazy with my reading comprehension. I don't want to start an edit war over one speculative line in a webcomic wiki. But claiming that it's "without any foundation whatsoever" strikes me as arbitrary and incorrect. After all:Nothing conclusive, I agree. Charlie could simply be a sociopathic native tactical genius-- indeed, it's how he's seen and spoken of by other Erflings. But seeing him as a potential Earthly gameplayer is consistent with the mechanics we've been introduced to with Parson's own presence, so it's not like I'm speculating that Charlie is really a steam-powered robo-insectile hive mind or Parson's Sith Lord father or something.

To wander even further into abstract literary criticism, Charlie's introduction and role in the first act is a classic presentation of the antagonist for the larger arc; an enigmatic but not immediately threatening figure who is very similar to the protagonist, but differs in ways essential to the overarching moral theme. In particular, he's a "field marshal" who shares Parson's analytical nature and is even more experienced and established than the new young upstart, but seems to lack the empathy Parson has developed for his troops. This is pure Joseph Campbell.

I don't believe Varsuvius's gender is a good comparison; that's a running gag whose answer is not relevant to the plot. If my speculations are even close, Charlie's origin will be very relevant and necessarily revealed. If he remains completely mysterious then it's safe to assume that I am completely wrong.

Could I be wrong? Absolutely. Honestly, I'd be surprised if I was right in any significant detail. But it is honest and (eventually) falsifiable speculation, based on a not-on-crack reading of the source material, and I don't appreciate it being deleted just because you don't agree with my reading.--75.72.164.171 13:29, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
I think with the new IPSFP makes this graduate to full speculation. In the Wizard of Oz, both Dorothy and the Wizard were residents of "the real world" it's certainly possible that Judy and Charlie were both residents of Stupidworld. It seems they both share Parson's unique perspective and vernacular to some extent.216.185.68.30 07:58, 11 February 2013 (EST)
Is it possible that Charlie merely read Judy's memories of stupidworld using the Arkendish and it's 'unmatched thinkamancy'? Instead of being a stupidworlder like parson, he could simply be an attuned erfworlder with what amounts to meta-knowledge of the rules of the world.
Just a thought.
Mathieu C (talk) 03:14, 27 November 2015 (EST)
Sure, it's possible, this theory has existed for a while. Still, it isn't just advanced knowledge. The way Charlie thinks is very different from any other erfworlder.--ManaCaster (talk) 10:34, 27 November 2015 (EST)
That's just it though, if he had seen Judy's memories of our world wouldn't that have changed the very way he thinks about his own? I mean, even Jack is able-in a limited way-to comprehend Parson's view of Erfworld. Perhaps the fact that he's a carnymancer helps in some way? I know it's idle speculation, but he has never really felt like a stupidworlder.
Mathieu C (talk) 21:51, 28 November 2015 (EST)
At the end of the day, there is nothing that really discredits either theory. But even if he isn't native to Erfworld, that doesn't necessarily mean he has to come from Stupidworld either. Judy Gale was definitely an alien, and yet she had the same body proportions as the natives, which would suggest a slightly different version of Earth than the one Parson came from.--ManaCaster (talk) 22:28, 28 November 2015 (EST)
I hadn't thought about there being more than two worlds. As a counterpoint though, Parson seems to be getting closer in proportion to other natives as the comic progresses. That might be a difference in art styling, but if it IS a natural effect that the world has on outsiders, then Judy (who seems like she's been around awhile) may have changed much more dramatically. Also Parson's status as a heavy might affect that in a number of ways. Still, the idea that Charlie is from a DIFFERENT alternate reality is at least as credible, and I hadn't considered that.

Another thought I'd had, and maybe you can tell me if this is an old idea or not: the relationship between Charlie and Judy may have been similar to the relationship between Wanda and Parson. Attuned, with a non-native warlord that thinks outside of the rules (or subverts those rules). It's even possible that Wanda may end up with an even more different worldview than she already has, if she actually learns to emulate Parson, instead of simply listening to him.

Mathieu C (talk) 18:02, 29 November 2015 (EST)

Run it up a flag pole and see who salutes. I am Xewleer 01:23, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

What if he IS the Arkendish? Woaaaaaaaah. I am Erisian 01:23, 2 June 2009

Why is Hamster doing mathematical calculations for Charlie?

I didn't see anything about this in the page, but why is Our Warlord being forced (apparently) to do mathemagical calculations for Charlie? 38.106.49.10 13:01, 27 December 2013 (EST)

This is why we need references & citations. Back in book 1, page 103, Parson made a deal with Charlie that Charlescomm would not join Transylvito in fighting Stanley, in exchange for 12 "battle evaluations". Once I find a good place to mention it, I'll add it to the main page. --No one in particular (talk) 22:08, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

Image spoilers

Does anyone think we should use LIAB 41 panel 2 for the default image, and see if we can develop some sort of spoiler template for his rare physical appearances?--ManaCaster (talk) 16:23, 17 October 2015 (EDT)

I don't know about the default image, but I've been poking at some code for a collapsible image that might work. I'm having trouble getting it to play nice with the ImageStackRight code though, if anyone wants to figure out how to get it coded properly. It looks like this at the moment:
Charlie's True Face
Hvs.tCF 112.jpg
Good Grief!
If we could get a multi-tabbed thing for costumes and stuff, that'd probably be better in the long run. --No one in particular (talk) 18:45, 30 November 2015 (EST)
Yeah, it would be nice if we could do something like here. I'm not sure if you can do that with the standard wiki markup. The other wikis seem to use customized templates via Common.js and plugins.--ManaCaster (talk) 20:36, 30 November 2015 (EST)

Charles Branch

Olive is his daughter, so wouldn't Charlies full name be Charles Branch?

We haven't seen a non-royal heir so don't know if it works that way.

  • Wanda wasn't even an heir, but inherited her father's last name anyways. As to Charlie, I added that to the spec section a long time ago, but we don't actually know for sure. I wasn't able to find any fitting references to Charles Branch. There is some confusion regarding Jillian Banhammer/Zammusel's last name, and her son seems to have inherited Zammusels rather than Banhammer. Also, it is possible Charlie has changed his name at some point.--ManaCaster (talk) 01:02, 27 January 2017 (EST)
  • Fair enough. Natural Signamancy no doubt. Maybe to recognize major differences between them. Albert is fairly similar to Jillian attitude wise, but Olive and Charlie had a major conflict at some point as did Jillian and Banhammer. Also, sorry I keep forgetting to sign. Knavigator (talk) 21:42, 27 January 2017 (EST)