User talk:HistoricAccount Balder

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In trying to get the reflist template to work (aka, copy in the template code), I'm wondering if it's to do with this change to Common.css not having been done? Or am I missing something terribly simple? --OniExpress 04:31, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Using new-style references via <ref>, <references> and {{reflist}} requires Cite.php to be installed. Without it, your best bet is to convert the page to use the older Ref/Note system. Cheers! —RevenantTalk 12:01, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
So far we have been using a simple workaround: <sup>[]</sup> displays [1]. It might not look as good as Wikipedia references, but at least it is easy to do plus it does the numbering automatically. If somebody comes with a better idea it would be nice. Just keep it simple, please! :) -- Muzzafar 15:32, 27 April 2009 (UTC)


A question I wanted to pose. I was thinking that images in some of the wikis here would be nice; not so much that they are strictly necessary (it's horribly unlikely that someone would see a wiki here before the relevant entry in the comic itself), but it strikes me that they would be beneficial in a few places. But obviously it's not my or any of our art, and regardless that you maintain/gain the rights of anything entered here, I figured this was a question better asked before rather than after. Oh, and I honestly haven't even checked to see if file uploads are an activated feature here yet, but who fusses over the little details like that? :P --OniExpress 01:34, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Yeah Images are awesome and anything is fair game. I'm even going so far as to say I'm not going to question the use of copyrighted images we don't own until the owner objects to their use here, for now. That policy is subject to change. --Balder 06:32, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

It looks like someone's going to have to enable uploading before we can add any image files. Henry 07:45, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
Image files now enabled and tested. Working! --Balder 13:46, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
Thanks! =) Henry 01:33, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for that as well. :) They arn't necessary, and I didn't want to step on any toes with the matter. The Titans wiki made me think of it the most initially. I'll get some work done editing images down to proper proportions tomorrow afternoon. --OniExpress 00:54, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Canon, proposed canon and speculation

Hi Rob! Several questions here:

  • You created a page for Croaking. Can we automatically consider the text that you wrote a Canon since it is the "Word of God"?
  • You have written quite a lot of information on the GitP forums. I see it as pretty valuable for readers since it is the "Word of God", basically. I do not know about Rich's plans about the Erfworld forum on the GitP forums, but I assume there is a chance it might not last. Can we save your messages in some form in this Wiki, for example as Word of God article with references to the GitP forum posts? I guess it would make it possible to refer to it as to.. well, the Word of God. What do you think?
  • There is some information on this Wiki that is taken right from the comic (for example, magic disciplines in Magic). Would that be Speculation or Proposed Canon? Can unambiguous information with references to comic strips (like Caesar Borgata is Chief Warlord to Transylvito[2]) be considered Proposed Canon?

Thank you! -- Muzzafar 14:07, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

UPD: Sorry, I have not read the rules well enough. I think Speculation and Proposed Canon are explained quite explicitly there. -- Muzzafar 18:27, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
UPD: I made the page. Hope you don't mind. -- Muzzafar 21:12, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Hey Rob, I'm not sure about what type(s) the Parson's plans article and related articles should be. They're unlikely to directly become canon, or proposed canon, but are mostly different from pure speculation, as the links can be fairly obvious but not completely spelled out by the comic/word of God. Thanks, Doran 00:56, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Hm, dunno. I guess they're another type of page, a list page? Balder 23:07, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Luckmancy vs Luckamancy

Hi Rob!
On one occasion this discipline of Magic is call Luckmancy (and apparently Luckmancers). On others it is LuckAmancy and Luckamancers. What is the right name? -- Muzzafar 08:01, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Luckamancy is right. Much like "Vinny" is right and I know at least one "Vinnie" got through lettering. We'll need some help rounding up all bloopers.

Plot Summary from Wikipedia

Hi Rob!
I think I managed to copy the current article + 2 earlier versions of the plot summary from the Wikipedia. I copied the text to this article. In the next few days I (and whoever willing to help) will try to merge the three versions. I suppose we can then copy the plot summary to a separate page.
Please let know if we can provide any further assistance. -- Muzzafar 09:43, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Awesome Muzzafar, thanks for all your hard work! Balder 05:36, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
It's my pleasure! I really appreciate your appreciation. :D
I did my best to combine the three revisions of the plot summary and copied it over here.
I guess we could also use your knol to further improve the plot summary, couldn't we? Please advise. -- Muzzafar 15:55, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Sure, though SteveMB wrote most of the knol. I should be doing more with that as well. We'll make it a priority after we launch and get the bugs out. But yes, I would like to see a very detailed plot summary, and eventually a wiki article annotating every page. There's enough to keep many people busy here for a long time! Balder 16:58, 28 April 2009 (UTC)


Is the Fate Axis of Hippiemancy supposed to be 'Singamancy' or 'Signamancy'? It is shown as 'Signamancy' in the magic axis Klog[3]. -- Ichthus 17:27, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Signamancy. Like the Peace sign, man. Like the protest sign, man. Signs, signs, everywhere a sign. Far out. Balder 17:32, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Descriptive Table of Contents

I took the liberty to update the Descriptive Table of Contents. -- Muzzafar 17:50, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Page Annotation

Started Page Annotation project. I guess we need your contribution (in form of guidance and advice). -- Muzzafar 11:26, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Fan Created Stuff

Rob, could you please add a section to the main page concerning people adding fan-created pages. Someone added these ones, so for now I added [[Category:Fan Created]] it, and added "Fan " in front of the categories. --Doran 00:24, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

As per discussion with the Balder, I've expanded on your work, Doran. There are now three classes of fan material, with catchy names. Fanon, Banon, and the intermediate 'forked up' fanon. Hope I got those more or less right, Rob; it's late so I may have jumbled something. --> ERK!|eyeBook me 04:48, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Actual Game

Let me preface this by saying that I know that the comic and the game are separate. You are aiming to tell a story and its a darn good one so far.

However, as an avid gamer and amateur game designer, I can't help but notice there's a very compelling and rather robust system behind the story. I also see that you're a game designer by trade. I was wondering... Are there were plans to take the Erfworld setting/system and turn it into an ACTUAL game? I know that I would buy it if it was. I'm certain others would as well.

Just curious.


This wiki is going to be used to work out a final set of game mechanics and tables which is consistent with the comic, and internally logical as well. Then we can use that as the basis for several types of games, developed by third parties and/or fans, with my guidance. That's the theory, anyway. More direction on that coming in a little while. Balder 09:18, 25 May 2009 (UTC)


Please can you edit the main page to add the Analysis category, thanks -- Doran 22:02, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Online Game

Dear Rob and Jamie,

I recently started work on a strategy game that can be played online with a web browser. For now, this is a hobby project that I'm doing in my spare time to play with my friends.. The basic concept is that it will be turn-based BUT asynchronous. A turn will last a day, and players can log on any time during the day to move their units and order production. In fact, they can log on many times, if they want to order units that still have some moves left. In fact, it could be that two sides are moving their units around in the same minute...

The game code is in early stages at this time: it can render a map, shows some unit stacks, you can move them around and claim cities for your side, but that's about it. There's a minimap that can scroll the screen and shows cities and unit stacks. There's no movement limit, no turns, can't manipulate stacks, yet, etc. On the bright side, it's done in pure javascript without plugins like Java or Flash. :)

You can take a look at the current work-in-progress here:

(The terrain and unit graphics are from "Battle for Wesnoth"; the cities are from an older game which is why they look so out of place...)

As you can see, this is a world without any actual mechanics at this time. The question is: would you be interested in creating an online Erfworld game that your readers could play on the erfworld website? I think the emerging Erfworld mechanics are great, it would be cool to do this project with this setting. If you aren't interested, I will just make up my own rules for the game. :)

-- UPi 10:02, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

UPi, that's really fabulous looking! It's probably worth mentioning that it's going to be quite difficult to port to Internet Explorer, though, even IE8. IE doesn't support the canvas tag natively :-( It's possible to use it through an external library, but last I heard it's quite slow.

Good work on the game, though! I'm very impressed with things like the route planning, and it really does look just like Wesnoth, which is quite impressive in itself.

-- Angelbob 12:52, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

I don't actually have time to work on anything like an Erfworld game, and won't until late into 2010 when the Book 2 script and other projects should be complete. Also, we ultimately want to work with a pro firm, and license Erfworld to them for a major commercial game. That definitely does not mean we don't want to see startup and fan and homebrew projects like this one. I just can't spare any mindshare to work on them personally. Very sorry!

-- Balder 06:36, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Juuni Kokki

On an unrelated note: have you seen (or read) "12 Kingdoms" ("Juuni Kokki")? The story shares some of the basic concepts of Erfworld: a person (Parson :) from our contemporary reality gets swept away from his (or, in Juuni Kokki's case, her) ordinary life into another world. This world is significantly different from our own, for example, people are not gestate in a woman's womb (in JK they grow like fruit on special trees).

Also, this person finds himself/herself in the situation that he/she must now command an entire kingdom. However, he/she must first learn the rules and the logic of the new world, with the help of his/her advisors, not all of which wish him/her well. It takes plenty of trial and error before the true nature of the world is understood and the new ruler often feels out of place. In the end, he/she realizes that he/she was even MORE out of place in what he/she thought was the "real world".

This context, of course, if a great storytelling tool, as the audience of the story is introduced to the world's quirks and concepts gradually, learning them along with the story's main character, often left to wonder if how he would behave and react in a situation like this.

-- UPi 10:04, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, never read/seen it. I may look it up, though. Sounds cool.

-- Balder 06:39, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

New Main Page

ErfWiki Main Page Control Panel
This is the very top section of the main page
This is info for new users
The featured content is displayed in here
{{featured article}}
This used to be the featured article, but has since
been re-purposed to be just a list of tasks.
{{Latest Update}}
Change this to reflect the latest update
{{Latest Update/page}} controls the image.
Change this to change the Improvement Drive
Change this to change the Did You Know section

Just a quick and dirty control panel I whipped up. It shows each template used and what they do. Main page links to main page, but it's really at User:Miment/Main. This time, I'm off for real! Miment

This looks pretty brilliant, Miment. I'd like to see something like this implemented and soon. My only concerns are that the guiding philosophy and rules about fanon and stuff is clear to editors. And your choice of article raises the real problem of spoilers. Mentioning the volcano uncroaking on the main page of the wiki would definitely be uncool. How can we prevent that kind of thing? Thanks for your hard work on this. Balder 10:45, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
I'll see what I can do about keeping the guidelines clear. Do you want all the info off the main page, or just like "purpose" and "Making Stuff Up"?
As for spoilers in the featured article, that's gonna be a whole lot harder. Basically all the knowledge we have about Erfworld comes from happenings in the the story, so unless we only feature Fanon or rules/mechanics pages, spoilers are gonna leak through. Careful editing of the featured article section can keep out the big ones, like the volcano.
Miment 18:25, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
Maybe a prominently featured "New to Erfwiki? Start here" with a link to a page that contains most/all of the info that is on the current main page. Balder 20:21, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

For the "New to ErfWiki" part, I was thinking of adding a section like this under the topbox, in a template called {{rulesbox}}. The idea is that when you click on one of those links, the text below it changes with moving you off the main page. It would be collapsible too, so people who don't need it could get it out of their way. Unfortunately, that requires some custom CSS work and I don't have the permissions to do that.

So I went ahead and made {{rulesbox}} as a placeholder and put some text into it. I can change the text, make it stand out more, etc. But if you want it to be a nifty frame like above, you'd need to get ahold of your webguy and have him do it.

I didn't have time to fix the links or change the content on the main page prototype. I spent too much time figuring out that I couldn't make that frame >_> That and I gotta help get my place ready for a Halloween Party. Anyways, I probably won't be back on till Sunday or Monday.

  • Hey, hey, main page got unlocked, so I took out as many spoilers from the Featured article as I could, pointed all the links to somewhere and put the page up. If you want to change anything, edit the appropriate section on the Main Page Control Panel I put at the top of this section. Be sure to drop me a line and tell me what you think!

Need something deleted

I accidentally loaded the image for LIAB 20 to LIAB Text 20. This is gonna cause some problems when the text updates get that far, so it needs to be deleted. I would've taken care of it myself, but I don't have the rights to.

I'll go ahead and send this off to Harkenell too.

On dealing with spambots

I noticed you banned a few IPs for spamming, so I went ahead and made a little category of other IP addresses that have spammed the wiki. Bans for them would be great too.

So glad to see this. - CIHN


Want to double check that the nameless user updating such things as Knight in the Glossary (29-30 Oct) was you. There are some things there that add to the known Canon and expand the Proposed Canon of multiple entries, and it would be nice to confirm these. - CIHN

We were working on the glossary with a team. Did you put an asterisk by EVERY entry? Those were indicating the entries that would go in the book. :P
Whoops. So can we take all that stuff to be canon?
It's a work in progress, man. Chill on it until the book comes out. Then it's canon.

Things that could use some Retconjuration.

From early in the the series, 'Shmucker' was only spelled with one 'c'. I've noticed that in LIAB, it's often spelled 'schmucker'. It's not particularly significant, but I just figured I'd point it out. I trust the older spelling is still the correct one? It is in the Glossary that way after all.

Places where Shmucker is spelled with 2 c's

After going through all the LIAB pages, I've found the mistake in the following locations.

Miment 23:26, 31 October 2010 (UTC)


There's a bot which is ripping this wiki appart. Any chance of getting a hold of Harkell and seeing if there's some extra anti-spam programs he can install or setup? --Charles 22:02, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Ah! A possibly logged-in admin, perhaps on his way to play Sizemore. Do admins have edit rights to MediaWiki:Spam-blacklist (EG: to blacklist the domains here), or will that have to await the Bureaucrat? Abb3w 02:14, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Can we get some admins who are on more frequently/more attentive to spam removal? Some kind of prevention would be nice, but presently I think it'd be easily managed with better admin presence. I come on daily and check for/tag new spam, so I'd be happy to actually have the ability to truly delete it and those accounts. --0beron 08 Feb 2012