Talk:Descriptive Table of Contents

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Strip 150

I do not want to start edit wars, but I think "in a fire" is a bit confusing. It is not like something burnt and they died. I like "in flames" better. -- Muzzafar 20:12, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

On the one hand, "in flames" fits the rules of standard English better, and is more accurate. On the other hand, "die in a fire" is a colloquialism and relatively common phrase among some geeks -- one can google for examples. Personally speaking, I'm rather fond of "coalition troops die in a fire" for the stylistic effect. That may just be me though. R3u 01:21, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
That's essentially what I was going for. Feel free to change it back if you feel strongly about it, though. 01:46, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Well, since I suppose you guys are both native English speakers and I am not, I rely on your judgment. -- Muzzafar 04:15, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Strip 153

I am not sure it matters at this point how exactly Parson loses his consciousness. I suppose "one of the casters renders Parson unconscious" was enough. -- Muzzafar 20:12, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps "pointy-eared caster pinches Parson unconscious" is a good middleground? R3u 01:21, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
My intention was to collapse the two sub-sentences into one, as a means of making the description more concise/pretty without losing information. I'd be just as fine with "Parson is opposed and knocked unconscious by casters in the Magic Kingdom" or some similar. 01:46, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Aha, if length is the problem.. "Parson visits magic kingdom, gets complimentary involuntary nap"? R3u 02:52, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Comic Links

How do you guys feel about changing the links from giantitp to this sites mirror? --Doran 21:31, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Done, although it looks like the most recent page hasn't gone up there yet. I'll give it some time before switching it back to the "opening act" index. 04:26, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
Ok, nevermind, it was done already. Those darn arrows had me thinking they were still all GITP links.--BarGamer 15:20, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Why do they link to the comic pages and not the Wiki pages?

Chronology Of Days (Days 2-3)

The Descriptive Table Of Contents gives pages 9-36 as Day 2. The database for the TBFGK annotation pages gives pages 9-10 (Jillian taking off and hitting the troll's stack) as Day 2 (RCC turn) and pages 11-36 as Day 3 (starting with GK turn at pages 11-33, RCC turn at page 34, and Night at pages 35-36). Based on the fact the GK turn is in the morning and the RCC turn is in the afternoon, IMO the latter is correct. SteveMB 03:48, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. Menlo Marseilles 07:22, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
Would it be worth moving this page to TBFGK? The book-level generating template for TBFGK puts a large load on the server and doesn't give a description of each page. Ofc, that could be added, but would probably kill the server again. --Raphfrk 12:36, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
The list of pages for TBFGK might as well be a simple static page of links -- there's nothing that would normally need to change, especially now that Book 1 is done. So, yes, it might make sense to direct the "Book" links from TBFGK pages/frames to the descriptive table of contentsSteveMB 14:58, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

First Intermission

Just heard the new podcast, apparently the "First Intermission" is meant to compose "90 turns" until Book 2. It might not be accurate/practical to arrange them by days. Thoughts?-- 03:58, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Wondering about similar things myself. Judging by today's new page, the current turn is 75th since the beginning of Book 1. The intermission pages are listed in turns since TBFGK. But, we could just add 9 to all those and bring them in line. But then they won't clearly match their pages. Should we use both on the Intermission pages? Should we present Book 2 in turns since TBFGK?

My personal feeling is to present the book pages in the same format; the intermission pages maybe we should do in both, at least here. User:Commander I. Heartly Noah

Where do you get 75th turn? It says 72 since the major battle Parson lead, so that would be around 9+72 = 81 turns since the start. --Raphfrk 18:35, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
I thought it was 72 after the summoning, i.e. day 3. Rechecking...
Actually, I think you are right. It says that in the 72 days since the summoning, he has only lead 1 major battle. --Raphfrk 22:41, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
Ok, I added a numbering system (AW) to the template. --Raphfrk 00:25, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
I think that 1 turn since TBFGK means 10 AW.
9 AW starts with a Dwagon popping and then has Wanda decrypt the army. It ends after Parson throws the Sword into the lava.
10 AW, Summer update one, and 1 turn since TBFGK starts with the new GK popping (has to happen at start of turn) and also Stanley's "triumphant" return.
This means that to convert from turns until GK to AW requires that you add 9.
(So I think it was right before the edit)
--Raphfrk 17:49, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
>has to happen at start of turn
This is what I missed. I made some assumptions based on the timing of events - namely, that the events of the first epilogue (updates 1-9) happened on the same day as Parson and the Casters' return from the Magic Kingdom - with the idea that "since the Battle for Gobwin Knob" was referring to the battle itself (which ended in the Volcano Uncroaking). If we know that the city can only be rebuilt at start of turn, then I obviously must have guessed wrong - I'll revert the changes readily.
Menlo Marseilles 22:41, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
Actually, looking at the text, it doesn't actually say that. However, I think it is reasonable that Stanley arrived back the following day. (OTOH, Parson doesn't complain about the cold night, sleeping outdoors) --Raphfrk 23:41, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
Also, on TBFGK Epilogue 7, the archons are said to have had a rehearsal. That burns up a little more time.

The question is how far the pass was from GK.
Day 6: Stanley leaves (1 full turn travelled)
Day 7: Travel (2 full turns traveled)
Day 8: Ambush (part of a turn travelled and then some of a turn travelled back)
Assuming that the pass is 2.1 turns away from GK:
At the end of day 8, Stanley will have travelled
2.1 to get to pass
0.9 back
so, is 1.2 turns away from GK
Assuming that the pass is 2.9 turns away from GK
2.9 to get to pass
0.1 back
so, is 2.8 turns away from GK
In either case, he is more than 1 turn away, so he can't make it back the GK during turn 9.
The only exception would be if all his slow dwagons dies during the fight so that his stack was slightly faster on the way back.
Also, combat may have used up time ... but that probably didn't affect move totals.
--Raphfrk 23:57, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
OK yeah, Stanley's travel calculations pretty well clinch it. I stand corrected. Menlo Marseilles 00:45, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Second Half of the Intermission

Even if they aren't available any longer, shouldn't there be some type of mention of lost pages from this intermission? Like the ones where Parson first visits the decrypted Archons? pevinsghost 15:34, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

  • I think the missing pages were just moved over to be the prologue of Book 2, rather than lost. Interviewing the Archons, for instance, is now LIAB Prologue 25. --No one in particular (talk) 15:56, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
    • Sorry, the missing pages are not in the book 2 prologue, if you look at the page you link to, the opening sentence is "That evening's discussion with the Archons ended up going a lot smoother than his first two attempts." referencing events from the missing pages. Also, in the Real World References at the bottom of the page, the first one says "Parson is referencing the Archons' state of dress on his previous visit." pevinsghost 17:43, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
      • Looks like I'm actually thinking of the prior page, LIAB Prologue 24 which just doesn't explicitly mention Archons on the descriptive page, my mistake. Unfortunate that the image is gone from that page though. pevinsghost 18:05, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
        • Unfortunately, the image isn't missing from the page - it never had one. Back when the Intermission / Epilogues & Prologues were first coming out, Rob was sort of auditioning for a new artist by having candidates draw scenes for what were otherwise purely text updates. (that's why there are different artists for some updates) At the time, there weren't enough submissions for every update to have an image, so... they were posted without one.
          It's not that different from the Backer Stories - only a few of those updates have images to go with them.--No one in particular (talk) 19:50, 15 April 2015 (UTC)